Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Karen Effie's avatar

There are many reasons for wanting to immanentize the eschaton etc and one is that many of us still tell the Story of the Cosmic War. A war between ultimate good and ultimate evil taking place on both the metaphysical and physical planes, due to end very soon and with our side as the winners. We’ve been doing this since the beginning of Zoroastrianism. It’s a story with undeniable psychological heft and there was a time when it progressed religious thought because it told us we mattered, our moral actions affect history and the cosmic order. However even the tech bros have fallen into it, you don’t need religion to carry it on. It’s time we stopped telling us this story and learned to love the world and address the very real issues that face us. As usual you have written the article I wanted to write, dang you are good at this!

Expand full comment
Kevin Thuot's avatar

Émile, I enjoyed this post, thank you.

One question for you: you mock Kokotajlo for pushing back his AGI timeline from 2027 to 2029, as being an example of Millerite "moving the goal posts".

However, Kokotajlo is doing this in advance of the predicted date, based on the progress he's seeing. The Millerites only changed their dates after the dates had come and gone.

That seems like a big difference in terms of whether they are treating is as a Rapture-like event vs. one that can be semi-reliably anticipated by looking at the evidence.

Expand full comment
2 more comments...

No posts