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Ian W's avatar

It is inevitable that humanity is going to go extinct, so in what way would it make you happy for it to happen?

Ian W's avatar

Implying that somebody is bad simply because they accept the inevitability of extinction and hope to actively guide the process , is intellectually lazy.

Ian W's avatar

For example, I have already picked out the plot of land where I’m going to be buried and designed my gravestone. That does not make me pro extinction.

Bullshit & Biases's avatar

The doomer I met who worked in AI regulation said, and I quote, "I actually hate humans, most of them are bad." I wish people could understand how deeply inhumane they are while playing a fake ally.

Thank you for your valuable work on this topic. I just cited y'all in a piece I did on how this is all a marketing campaign that's rooted to Yudkowsky. Thanks for that Altman citation, I added to reinforce just how much that 1996 essay Starring into the Singularity is behind so much of this bullshit. He practically wrote the business plan in it.

In case you are bored and want to read it: https://missmaserati.substack.com/p/high-priests-of-ai-the-doom-marketing , although it's probably not anything you didn't already know. I agree with all of your points here about their ideas and what they really add up to. I even did some neurobiology of what high decoupling does to the brain.

Jane Stoll's avatar

What’s the point of a digital life only? A digital being is only viable if it’s connected to an energy source outside itself. What happens when energy resources run out? What good is this ‘glorious transhumanized future’ if there is no one there to experience it?

No tech has ever come close to recreating full human consciousness because you need a physical, living being body for that. We think with our guts and hearts, not just our brains. These tech bros seem fully ignorant of biological realities of how our bodies & minds actually work—in fact, the tech bros see feelings as a hinderance to consciousness rather than a PART of consciousness, which indeed they are. In my near death experiences, I never lost feelings or consciousness, same as millions of others who had NDEs. Perhaps the problem with AI is that it has no feelings. However, if AI had genuine feelings it wouldn’t be NEARLY as controllable…

I think what the tech bros really want is a populace devoid of feelings, which would make the populace simple to control. They are projecting themselves on AI, as if they themselves are the AI gods they want us to worship. I think they want to live without all feelings other than greed & sex. They want an ideal world for people who hate their own feelings.

I’ve concluded the tech bros don’t understand consciousness at all, and their misunderstanding will likely genocide the planet.

But there’s another thing happening here—modern humans have NO idea what God is or how God operates, so many humans will fall for fake AI gods. The only people I’ve ever come across who get God right are from unbroken, ancient tribal lineages that predate by far the 6,000 yr old mind control modern religions.

G.V.'s avatar

This installment is like Christmas -- as I was watching the Lorenz/Tiku video I kept wondering what your (and Timnit's) take on it might be, and not only do we get a peak at your thoughts, we get paragraphs!! Merci beaucoup, that was a delight to wake up to.

Y'all were very much ahead of the game, and I'm continually finding reasons to be grateful for your work. Researching the funding, business, and social connections of the viable candidates for CA governor would have been significantly less enlightening if I were not as informed about TESCREAL as you and Timnit have given us all the opportunity to be (with added gratitude to Gil Durán for his work on the Network State for the same reason). It makes it hard to have substantive conversations on the topic with most people, who are going about their lives blissfully unaware of most or all of the undercurrent-rot, but being awake to it is a gift I'll never regret receiving. Many thanks 🙏